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• Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby Corwin9s » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:50 am



Easy links to quick share this tutorial : http://hellfire.ninesages.org/box and/or http://hellfire.ninesages.org/boxes




Hello!

Here is infos about Boxes. This subject contains :

  • INTRODUCTION
  • BOXES
  • EARNING GEMS
  • NEXT BOX
  • SUMMONING FROM BOXES
  • BOX FACTS
  • BOXES & ENERGY

Enjoy it ! Feel free to make more inputs or give more details, as long as asking questions. I will update this infos with any interesting stuffs.





INTRODUCTION


You have 4 BOXES per event.

This boxes will allow you to summon UR (Ultra Rares), SR (Super Rares) and R (Rares) creatures, among others creatures.

When you try summoning, the summoning effect will try to gather creatures from the box. Chances to get one depends on how you do the summon.
If you do not succeed to summon a creature from the box, you still will earn Common (C) or Uncommon (UC) creatures.

Of course, everytime you summon R and SR creatures from the Box, the number of availables creatures in the Box will decrease and, by the way, the opportunity of getting the UR should increase.

SummonBox_1.jpg





BOXES


Each box of each level (of each kind of Events) has his own number of SR and R creatures.

a) Dungeon Event

Box 1 Box 2 Box 3 Box 4
1x UR
16x SR
55x R
1x UR
30x SR
90x R
1x UR
45x SR
170x R
1x UR
60x SR
220x R

This amounts are quite constants between events.


a) Raid Boss Event
Box 1 Box 2 Box 3 Box 4
1 x UR
16 x SR
60 x R
3 x SR Elite
5 x R Elite
1 x UR
24 x SR
104 x R
5 x SR Elite
8 x R Elite
1 x UR
36 x SR
192 x R
8 x SR Elite
16 x R Elite
1 x UR
48 x SR
252 x R
16 x SR Elite
25 x R Elite


This amounts are quite constants between events.





EARNING GEMS


Basically, you can earn Gems (Diamonds, Ruby, Emeralds) by fighting for events.
Magic Jewels can be earned by finishing Worlds, as rewards during Event (based on leaderboard progression)
Ally Jewels are given by Wanderers you met or by allies who takes you on journeys'n fights.
Silver Keys are given by other players.


a) Dungeon Event
Novice Level : Emeralds and MJ
Expert Level : Ruby and MJ
Master Level : Ruby, Diamonds and MJ
Hell Level : Ruby, Diamonds and MJ


a) Raid Boss Event
it depends on boss's levels, if you're MVP and on the number of fighters.






NEXT BOX


You can change to the next box when:
- all creatures are summoned
- the UR creature was summoned

When the button to change to the next box is available, you can change to next box...

NextBox.jpg


:arrow: Also note taht after you clear Box 4 it restarts.






SUMMONING FROM BOXES


You can summon a creature (which "lies" in the box) in several ways :

a) using GEMS (emerald, ruby, diamonds).

Each 10 gems will allow you to summon 1 creature.

gems.jpg

Diamond : is the best gem for summoning SR or R creatures
Ruby : occasionnaly summons SR or R creatures
Emerald : infrequently summons SR or R creatures

To use gems, click on the corresponding buttons in the "Summons" Section:
summon_emeralds.jpg

summon_ruby.jpg

summon_diamond.jpg


Rates of summoning aren't exactly known. But our OrbMasters rules to find an estimation :
Diamonds = 35-40% // Rubies = 6-8% // Emeralds = 0,75-1%

If you need "food" for leveling up quickly your creatures, we suggest you to use Emerald gems, as you can gather them in a large amount.


b) using MAGIC JEWELS (MJ).
1 MJ will allow you to summon 1 creature.
This is a guaranteed summon.

Our advice: use MJ for the 2 or 3 last creatures to summon in the current Box.

To use gems, click on the corresponding buttons in the "Summons" Section:
summon_MJ.jpg


c) using ALLY JEWELS (AJ)
100 AJ will allow you to summon 1 creature.
It's the worst ratio to get creatures from the box. And this will allow you to earn only R creatures (if you succeed!).

To use gems, click on the corresponding buttons in the "Summons" Section:
summon_AJ.jpg


c) using SILVER KEY (SK)
Silver Keys are gifts from other players.
1 Silver Key will allow you to summon 1 creature.
This is a guaranteed summon, like MJ.

To use gems, click on the corresponding buttons in the "Summons" Section:
summon_silver_key.jpg



e) using Mobacoins (FireCoins for iPhone)
Guaranteed success of sucessful summon of R, SR or UR creature(s).
The price or the number of creatures depends of each kind of promotions.
Basically, you can summon from the box itself, but sometime exceptionals events will allow you to pay too.

To use gems, click on the corresponding buttons in the "Summons" Section:
Coins_Summon.jpg






BOX FACTS


  • Grinding floor 20 in Master gives 10 Diamonds (1 summon)
  • Grinding floor 20 in Hell gives 15 Diamonds (1.5 summons)
  • Hell floor 20 boss gives 20 Diamonds after being defeated the first time
  • Clearing Master and Hell the first time gives 1080 rubies and 630 diamonds
    • approx. 8 creatures from rubies and 25 creatures from diamonds (assuming 7% and 40% rates; respectively)
    • This will leave approximately 38 creatures in box 1
    • You will need approximately 950 diamonds, which is 95 missions on Master Floor 20
  • Assuming you clear box 2 before Hell is released you will need to grind 3000 diamonds, which is 300 missions on Master Floor 20
  • If you start Box 3 when Hell is released
    • Clearing Hell the first time gives approx. 33 creatures (see above)
    • You will have 182 left in box, approximately 4550 diamonds, which is 285 missions on Hell Floor 20 (assuming you kill boss)
  • Box 4 leaves you with 280 creatures, approximately 7000 diamonds
    • You will need to go on 438 missions on Hell Floor 20 (assuming you kill boss)


Remember these numbers are based on 40% pull rate for diamonds and can fluctuate

Source: jpriebe from Newsletter 2014.42





BOXES & ENERGY


  • Box 1: ~195 missions; based on 10 mins per 7 missions = 28 full energy bars
    • Approximately 5 hours of real life time o Box 2: ~300 missions; based on 10 mins per 7 missions = 43 full energy bars ? Approximately 8 hours mins of real life time
  • Box 3: ~385 missions; based on 10 mins per 7 missions = 55 full energy bars
    • Approximately 10 hours of real life time
  • Box 4: ~438 missions; based on 10 mins per 7 missions = 63 full energy bars
    • Approximately 11 hours of real life time

Note that additional time is required to decrease handicap, more difficult missions, as well as seal captures.

Thanks to –c00li- and Crisrulz for their input and assistance.
Source: jpriebe from Newsletter 2014.42



Feel free to make more inputs or give more details, as long as asking questions.
I will update this infos with any interesting stuffs.

Thanks to everyone !

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Last edited by Corwin9s on Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:54 pm, edited 7 times in total.
Reason: added EARNING GEM section; minor corrections; drop rate
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Re: Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby chophack » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:24 am

Thank you corwin. Very nice work! I've bookmarked this topic!

The work done by cooli as summarized by jrpriebe with help from crisrullz at end is great resource that answers many questions about time and resources required to empty boxes

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Re: Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby crisrullz » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:55 pm

Nice corwin thank you, good to have them all together.

Couple things i noticed.
Since it's for Dungeon's maybe include it in tittle's beginning.
In Silver Key's area you've written "1 MJ will allow you to summon 1 creature."
About the "rates of summoning" i think we've reached on a safe conclusion of numbers even tho sometimes in DEs they look worse.
(Diamonds = 35-40% // Rubies = 6-8% // Emeralds = 0,75-1% )
Last maybe good to say in the beginning that after you clear box 4 it restarts
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Re: Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby Corwin9s » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:40 pm

tx everyone.

First post updated with a new section "EARNING GEMS".
Added the infos of crisrullz for droprate.
Made a place for contents of boxes during Raid Boss Event

Who has infos (contents of boxes for raid boss events) or for gems distribution during events, can share the infos. Thanks
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Re: Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby sarikusu » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:43 pm

From the newsletter:

Boxes by the Numbers

Box 1
1 x UR
16 x SR
60 x R
3 x SRE
5 x RE

Box 2
1 x UR
24 x SR
104 x R
5 x SRE
8 x RE

Box 3
1 x UR
36 x SR
192 x R
8 x SRE
16 x RE

Box 4
1 x UR
48 x SR
252 x R
16 x SRE
25 x RE
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Re: Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby crisrullz » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:43 pm

Raids
    Box 1 : 1/16/3/5
    Box 2 : 1/24/104/5/8
    Box 3 : 1/36/192/8/16
    Box 4 : 1/48/252/16/25

I remember some of the bosses gems but not 100% certain so better see them next week for sure and post then
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Re: Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby Corwin9s » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:50 pm

thanks. infos added. I will delete some posts to clean this section. thanks for understanding.
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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby Corwin9s » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:39 pm

Added :




Unique link to easy share the tutorial : http://hellfire.ninesages.org/box and/or http://hellfire.ninesages.org/boxes



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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby chophack » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:13 pm

My experience with emerald gems is more like me 0.33-0.5% drop rate.

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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby fiestacaserole » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:44 pm

Thank you Corwin. This is a superlative dissertation on the topic of boxes. I will return often to this reference.

Thanks to your contributors c00li-, jpriebe, and crisrullz for their input.

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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby ale-17 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:11 pm

Hi summoners, i've read this forum for a long time but this is the first time i post something. I wanted to ask you if it's really possible to get the UR with rubies or if are necessary diamonds or MJ. I've used about a thousand rubies but nothing yet, just unlucky or something else?
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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby crisrullz » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:12 pm

ale-17 wrote:Hi summoners, i've read this forum for a long time but this is the first time i post something. I wanted to ask you if it's really possible to get the UR with rubies or if are necessary diamonds or MJ. I've used about a thousand rubies but nothing yet, just unlucky or something else?
thank you for all that you do for this wonderful game.



you can ONLY summon the URs with MJs or coins. do not waste your gems
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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby GamerSeth » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:13 pm

Hey ale,

I'm not really sure what I'm doing either, since I've never cleared a box with rubies, but I've heard that it takes about 80 Level100 Boss tags - that's around 6400 rubies.

That's a lot of rubies.

But I've heard that it is possible with a lot of dedication.

Edit: Cris is right, you can't actually pull the UR with rubies, but you can clear the rest of the box with rubies. Sorry, was a bit confused :P

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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby ale-17 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:20 pm

Thank you, I didn't understand that it was impossibile, it's just the second event i play with boxes. well i'll wait the MJ and them use my gems.
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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby Torn » Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:35 pm

Current box tier cost:
HellFire
October 15 ·

Summoners! Have you realized that the Summon Box has special discounts in every step?

Step 1: 300 Moba/Fire Coins
Step 2: 700 Moba/Fire Coins
Step 3: 1100 Moba/Fire Coins
Step 4: 1500 Moba/Fire Coins
Step 5: 2100 Moba/Fire Coins
Step 6: 2800 Moba/Fire Coins
Final Step: 3600 Moba/Fire Coins

And now you can Summon 1 Creature from the Box for 200 Moba/Fire Coins.

Enjoy!

Also tier contents:
HellFire
May 20 ·

BOX STEP LOOP

STEP 1 (500 moba/fire coins)
3 Creatures from Box + 1 Large Battle Energy Potion

STEP 2 (800 moba/fire coins)
5 Creatures from Box + 2 Large Battle Energy Potion

STEP 3 (1300 moba/fire coins)
8 Creatures from Box + 3 Large Battle Energy Potion

STEP 4 (1900 moba/fire coins)
12 Creatures from Box + 1 Elite Guaranteed*

STEP 5 (2600 moba/fire coins)
17 Creatures from Box + 4 Large Battle Energy Potion

STEP 6 (3500 moba/fire coins)
23 Creatures from Box + 5 Large Battle Energy Potion

STEP 7 (4400 moba/fire coins)**
30 Creatures from Box + 1 SR Elite Guaranteed*

* Guaranteed Elite not summoned from your Box.
** STEP 7 leads to STEP 1!
chat wrote:Torn: that's 400*500 = 200 000 moba for Devourer... Think I will pass :P
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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby RashkaeTheBlack » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:32 pm

That was a one-time discounted tier cost
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Re: • Boxes: how, what, where... ?

Postby Bassjunkieuk » Thu May 14, 2015 12:32 pm

May need a small edit as I'm grinding Master Floor 20 atm and I'm getting 20 Diamonds per mission so 100 for each full play through.

Not sure if rewards are different in Hell as not bothered to get to Fl20 since my return
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