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locksley wrote:Hi.
This is a personal "love letter" to player Lifesreaper21.
I do not know if he does read this forum or not, nor does it matter anyway.
He just stole me a third legendary lv 100 boss (the only three ones I lost this event were to him). I'm by no means a power player, but I'm not a noob nevertheless.
I'm ranked right now 125, no money spent and no EP banked from previous events, so I consider myself an above-average player.
He, and he alone, ruined all hope for me to reach Top 100 this event, which would have been quite a feat given the lack of common rare elites and the looong legendary weekend, things that, imho, favours heavily paying players.
So I just want to say him "-FXXX YOU MAN".
I deeply hope you burn slowly in the deepest "hell-fire" with all my heart.
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locksley wrote:Hi.
This is a personal "love letter" to player Lifesreaper21.
I do not know if he does read this forum or not, nor does it matter anyway.
He just stole me a third legendary lv 100 boss (the only three ones I lost this event were to him). I'm by no means a power player, but I'm not a noob nevertheless.
I'm ranked right now 125, no money spent and no EP banked from previous events, so I consider myself an above-average player.
He, and he alone, ruined all hope for me to reach Top 100 this event, which would have been quite a feat given the lack of common rare elites and the looong legendary weekend, things that, imho, favours heavily paying players.
So I just want to say him "-FXXX YOU MAN".
I deeply hope you burn slowly in the deepest "hell-fire" with all my heart.
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erjtheman wrote:Really Bro, u are going to get this mad at a player trying to get top 10. The rule of top 10 is steal whatever u can, and he is a paying player and s**t happens, its just the premise of the game, if u don't like it spend money to rank higher, farm more till u can compete top ranks, or switch games.
locksley wrote:Hi.
Just a few words trying to justify the unjustifiable.
I started playing small sessions just when the game came out, and become a regular player since the Wonderland event. I've got a pretty good collection of cards. I'm pretty sure it is nearly impossible to get better cards without spending huge amounts of money, I'd dare to say, (and yes, for the record I've spent small sums of money here and there in the game, a couple of first tier summons and some 'introductory' offers, it won't make rich Hellfire developers, and in the end they dind't help me either, but they are good as a token of support and probably worth more money than most payed App Store games)
Also, I've gathered some expertise in the meanwhile, which helped me in improving my ranks in the events, scoring now in the top 300-200 regularly without needing to pay more cash. I don't know if I'm a good player or not. And frankly, I don't care. I enjoy playing (most of the time) and that is what counts.
That said, I've lost MVPs before. Tons of them. Like everyone else. Less as my expertise increased, sure, but I know you are never safe. But this is the first time I got three "firmly grasped" ones stolen by the same single player (which also ruined the perspective of reaching the top 100 that was indeed at my reach this time). Legendaries that were not shared lighly. All of them with 30mills or more of damage done before share (with 3-4 attacks), and defended as much as my resources allow. Needless to say, he didn't got the 1.5x ally bonus on any of them (nor anyone else, ofc).
And that is infuriating. More so when you also lose huge chunks of hard earned ep potion reserves in the process trying to defend the legendaries. And then you see that the player is able to deal easily with any counterattack, as he can deal as much as 45-50 mills with just two attacks thanks to his godly (payed?) deck
Yes yes. I know. It's the game, pay to win, and all that....
But it is hugely frustrating. Maybe I've not spent huge amounts of money in the game, but I've dipped much effort and employed many many hours in the game, things that can be as valuable or even more than money itself.
Only on one event I got two MVP lost to the same player before, muratozkan on Legendary Weaps, member of this forum. And he was kind enough to write a sort of apology and words of support when he learned about it. He didn't need to do it, we all know, that's the game, but he did nevertheless.
Right now I'm pretty pissed off. That's why I posted what I did. I know it may not be useful at all. But it's an escape valve to frustration. The only one I have right now
For those who know what I mean (and how I fell), thanks and sorry for the rant.
To everyone else, you can happily go to hell-fire along with your good friend lifesreaper21
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smartprotect2nd wrote:Well your first post says "no money spent", and now you're saying that you have spent on tiers, etc.
smartprotect2nd wrote:Do you think that all our decks, cards and BE are just paid for? That we don't have good cards or BE from previous events that like you, have spent much time, sleepless nights, sweat and tears to gain? Our money used to pay for tiers, BEs and energy pots do not just drop from the sky too, mind you.
smartprotect2nd wrote:It's a strategic game and based on luck, and as the ball is round,I am pretty sure one day you will be stealing MVPs from others as well, or you may have already done so.
smartprotect2nd wrote:It just happened for you to have it stolen thrice by the same player, as I believe bosses sharing are pooled with the same players. Heck, last event I stole from the same person like 10 times, so consider yourself lucky.
locksley wrote:smartprotect2nd wrote:Well your first post says "no money spent", and now you're saying that you have spent on tiers, etc.
On my first message I was posting my current status at the time, and obviously I was refering to no money spent this current event. My last purchase was on the Olympus dungeon event, mind you, (and as I said, a couple of tier 1 summons and some introductory offers like the 100 coin begginer summon and such, which didn't even yield anything useful ).smartprotect2nd wrote:Do you think that all our decks, cards and BE are just paid for? That we don't have good cards or BE from previous events that like you, have spent much time, sleepless nights, sweat and tears to gain? Our money used to pay for tiers, BEs and energy pots do not just drop from the sky too, mind you.
Well... I can bet almost every single card you have with better stats than what I've got are either a direct result of a purchased summon, or the indirect result of scoring high in a event thanks in the most part to that purchases.
In the ranking thread you can see the deck of some of the top players. An example of winning deck from erjtheman:
Ronin x2 -> Payed cards
Kaihime x 4 (evo4) -> surely about 14-15 payed cards
Cupids Bow -> Payed card from previous events
Longinus & Q'thulu -> Top rewards card. He may have got them without spending any money, sure, thanks to his superb and extraordinary hellfire skills. Or, much more likely, thanks to the purchases he made during the respective events (and a good playing, sure). Either way, it's just 2 cards from a deck of 9, with the other 7 ones an obvious example of the Pay to Win scenario.
Not that it matters. This is a F2P game and the developers rely on purchases to keep going, so you can do whatever you want with your money. But the very natrue of the P2W games is a bit annoying for us who don't have such amount of money to spend on it.smartprotect2nd wrote:It's a strategic game and based on luck, and as the ball is round,I am pretty sure one day you will be stealing MVPs from others as well, or you may have already done so.
Thanks to the fact that this is (more or less) a strategic game (and a bit skill based too), I can say I'm now ranking in the top 200 of this kind of events without spending a dime, probably well above many other heavy paying players... (I've seen several people this event with evoed Ronins as front cards, placed 800-1000 or even 8000. WTF?!?!?!?! O_o )
And just fyi, in more than 6 months of playing Raid events, I'm now able to reach such ranks witouth having stolen one single MVP from a player who has tagged a legendary for more than a few millions. Sure some players just attack a Legendary with one EP and share them right away because they don't want to MVP them. And I try to get them, of course, sometime clashing with other players. But I'm pretty sure noone will consider that "stealing MVPs"
But I've never tried to take away the MVP from the scout of a LB who have done several attacks on it. For me, it borders the immoral, more so as the weaker the player is, because he is more in need than anyone else the points and resources the LB awards, and he probably put much more effort and resources in the boss than the effort and rerources you will need to steal it from him.smartprotect2nd wrote:It just happened for you to have it stolen thrice by the same player, as I believe bosses sharing are pooled with the same players. Heck, last event I stole from the same person like 10 times, so consider yourself lucky.
I may consider lucky then, but I won't say here what I consider you, just because this is a moderated forum and It would get me a more than assured ban. But I'm pretty sure you know what I think about you after that cocky phrase.
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smartprotect2nd wrote:Hey skilled and 'senior' player, if think you are the only one putting in effort in this game and deserve to own every boss that you had put significant damage in, then you can continue living in delusion.
And sure bro, likewise, from your first post, my mind is already made up about what I think of you too. I hope you "burn slowly in the deepest 'hell-fire' with all my heart" too.
locksley wrote:smartprotect2nd wrote:Hey skilled and 'senior' player, if think you are the only one putting in effort in this game and deserve to own every boss that you had put significant damage in, then you can continue living in delusion.
And sure bro, likewise, from your first post, my mind is already made up about what I think of you too. I hope you "burn slowly in the deepest 'hell-fire' with all my heart" too.
And after all, you still have no damn clue of what I'm talking about.
What I think is that anyone who put a significant effort into getting a boss should 'own' it, as you say. That's the 'fair' way. Be it me, a just registered player with few skill and not 'senior' at all, or even you. I do not think "I'm the only one" that deserves anything. Thats why I do not steal MVPs, because it's not only ME who deserves that, but everyone else too.
Maybe I will never win one of this events because of that. I'm fine with it, don´t worry...
But behaviours like the one you boast about... ( "last event I stole from the same person like 10 times, so consider yourself lucky") well, i see them as unfair and immoral, even more when it's just the money the most common way of getting the power to enforce them.
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locksley wrote:Paying players usually have enough advantage by themselves (more Mission Energy for spawning more bosses, more Battle Energy for killing them, more powerful decks to deal with bosses with lower energy expenses, ....). Such huge advantages in fact that I do not understand why they also need to be able to mess with the hard work of other less privileged players.
remington82 wrote:And I have seen on many occasions a player in the top 5 and way ahead of top 10 stealing mvps on the last day from people who put 6+ attacks into a boss. Now that is really really aggravating.
remington82 wrote:On this same topic, I have had several MVP battles with the same player over the last two raids. Same situation, I do not pay, and the other player spends a ton of money. Now I understand the need to steal MVPs and how its important and all that, but this said top paying player was over 40million event points clear of 10th place, and there was only 1 day left. There is no possible way they are going to fall out of the top 10. I, however, very badly needed the MVP to try and keep my top 200 position.
remington82 wrote:I ended up doing 8 attacks on one of the bosses and 9 on the other. I won both, but man if I had lost them to someone who didnt need the points and was just bored or trying to get #1 or something like that, I would have been very pissed.
remington82 wrote:And I have seen on many occasions a player in the top 5 and way ahead of top 10 stealing mvps on the last day from people who put 6+ attacks into a boss. Now that is really really aggravating.
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